A colloquio con il vicepresidente della Commissione d’inchiesta on dead white
Senator Nerozzi, returning from a mission in London, Paris and Berlin as Vice-President of the Commission of Inquiry into the deaths White says the safety regulations adopted by the major countries of the Old Continent and compare with our Consolidated Dead white, an uncomfortable reality that too many pretend not to see. Anyway, it is a fact that the work has lost its centrality to the firm, as evidenced by the statistics with injuries that will reflect the dramatic pace relentless commodification in the globalized world. And after a few days after the landmark ruling on the pyre of ThyssenKrupp, which introduces criminal liability of managers and employers, accidents continue to claim victims relentlessly. Yet in April last year was dismissed on the Consolidated Health and Safety in the workplace, legislation that marks a significant step forward in the fight against accidents at work. A comprehensive text considered by many, but not applied. We talked with Senator Paul PD Nerozzi, vice president of the Commission of Inquiry into the dead white, returning from a mission / study in Paris, London and Berlin on the rules in force in major countries of the Old Continent in the field of occupational safety.
from the decision of the judiciary about the ThyssenKrupp ... This is a sentence which does justice to a tragedy, but when it comes to deaths that justice can not be restricted. But the important fact is that in this case the judges were able to apply the Italian laws also provide for criminal liability, inspired by the Consolidated Minister Damiano, who introduced this. An element is opposed by the government, which wants to abolish, and the Confindustria said that the award of a completely devoid of style and humanity by declaring it too.
The Commission of Inquiry into white deaths, of which he is vice president, went on a mission to Europe last week to learn about the measures taken by Britain, Germany and France to stem the flow of industrial accidents work. What is the situation in Europe?
So we have a good law ... Yes, the problem is the implementation and monitoring.
What can be deduced by looking at the three European models as a whole? Meanwhile the English had the aspect of punishment: effective with regard to fatal accidents, less effective for injuries or occupational diseases for which data are similar to Italians because, especially in small and medium businesses and is easier to hide them.
If in Italy to apply the text as it is only we approach levels in the UK? No, we would like only under the criminal aspects, the rest will be unique. In fact, the British and the German model - to speak after the French - have a role of bilateralism and the union of the strongest of us. In Britain stands for he is surrounded by the criminal, while in Germany proceeds with slightly better results than the Italian system because the ratio of bilateral and penalty according to law in the Nordic countries reaches levels very different from ours. A bilateral system in a country like Italy is likely to allow a punitive management of the individual rights of the people, and here's why is not contained in the Consolidated.
It 'just that the terrain on which you are pushing Sacconi, the bilaterality ... course. And how true that holds in Germany, France - where there is a bilateral system-like - does not give the expected results. In fact, English and French systems, which are similar except for the aspect of criminality, are undoubtedly lower than the German one. But with regard to the mortality model is more interesting than English, which provides a strong criminal element, contained in our Consolidated. But there is a second consideration to be done on all countries, namely that we are in the presence of a slowdown in the reduction of accidents at work, and partly also of the deaths, similar to that experienced by Italy in the years 2006 -
Why this reversal? For deregulation that invests in various forms in all countries. The areas and types of injuries, which are identical in the countries concerned, regarding the construction and agriculture - although in France the system of detection for the second area mentioned is different than the others and there is no data available for partial and fragmented - and young people and non-precarious. This phenomenon shows that the size of the European market with fewer rules and rights affects in a similar manner, albeit with different percentages, the two most vulnerable groups: young people and immigrants. The arguments from the countries we visited about the fact that young people have less education and less information, and among them first of all immigrants. But in reality, although training and information are two essential points in the prevention of occupational accidents, accidents often occur even for an excessive increase workload and the need to work overtime, something that did not post the proper attention. Surely training and information need to be strengthened in our country, simply turn the streets to realize it, but not enough. The element of deregulation, faced with the need to bring home a minimum wage, and conditioning of the situation.
How much does the economic crisis on accidents at work? increasingly affecting so much, because it results in two aspects: a greater workload on the one hand, fear of losing their jobs on the other that makes the employee more outstretched the defense of their jobs and willing to sacrifice himself.
What is the situation in Italy, from the standpoint of statistics, compared to the three countries that he visited? definitely worse, even if the same percentage as that of France, with the addition of deaths from asbestos presents a situation with ups and downs similar to ours although total counts fewer deaths and fewer accidents. The data side of the Alps on occupational diseases and deaths linked to them are higher than here.
the light of what has been said, what importance today the work of your Commission? Meanwhile, on the understanding that the work should be judged at the end of the trail, Monday 24 November, the committee will go Bologna, with a rapidity of action I ever before to meet the institutions and make a visit to the "Marconigomme" Sasso Marconi (where the explosion last November 17 two people were killed and three are injured ed ). Regarding the role of the Committee, this takes place on two levels: the first is monitoring the situation and how to start training programs and information from primary school level, the second has two plans: one considers a matter between the many unresolved in our country, namely the reform of the federal Title V of the Constitution - the law competition between states and regions - where the division of responsibilities can confusing. This is the old location, unheard, and of the CGIL union. This is the first intervention that we might be able to implement so that we can bring to other countries, where state jurisdiction only.
What gives rise to liability only in the hands of the State? Less confusion, along with less likely to have different forms of legislation from region to region, a possibility that has not yet occurred but could occur in the future.
And the second question? The second is to try to do some 'order in the various institutions, in addition to Inail there are two or three others involved in the accident on a national level.
In this regard, Sacconi was intended to unify and Inail Ispesl ... Yes, but probably need to do something more. The issue is to better coordinate the inspection element.
present this as it is regulated? currently responsible for this function various national and local health authorities. And 'necessary for the removal of bodies smaller to unify around Inail everything about prevention at the national level, whereas with the Asl is necessary to form a coordination, particularly at the inspection that must involve also INPS Inpdap and databases in order to act more states.
We started commenting on the decision of the judiciary on the responsibilities of the fire at ThyssenKrupp, and there I wish we turn: what is the political meaning of that sentence? First means that there is justice, which is an important thing. Second, it forces everybody to pay greater attention, and finally, shows that we must go forward with only text, not to be changed. This ruling forced the government to public opinion, some changes to slow down because the feeling is that you want to go to work to protect even very serious negligence or fault in this case.
This is truly a landmark ruling ... Yes, it's an important ruling.
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